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WAFA SULTAN ON AL JAZEERA TAKES APART MUSLIM WORLD HYPOCRISY

Wafa Sultan is an Arabic woman appearing on an Al Jazeera debate show and is one blunt and courageous woman.
She takes apart the host and the Imam appearing with her for a debate on the problem with the "Clash of Civilizations".
Towards the end she really takes apart the Imam and Muslim world's hypocrisy in comparison to what she calls the civilized West.
AGAIN THIS WAS ON AL JAZEERA!
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At 4:39 AM, John Murdoch said...
Hang on a minute...

Note that what we watched was clips from the program. We didn't see the entire thing--and we didn't see how it ended.

We did, on the other hand, see what the producers put on the air: an imam (a man to whom the "faithful" instinctively rever), and a clearly secular woman (no hijab, "provocative" clothing, assertive attitude) who goes on to assert that she's not a Muslim, and in fact she's an atheist.

The imam may reject the West--but he followed Lenin's famous "answer to Kautsky." When criticized, Lenin told his supporters that they must not carefully respond to the points that Kautsky raised: the answer was to stand up and pronounce Kautsky a revanchist and a tool of the Czar. And sit down. Don't dignify his arguments by responding to them.

The imam does the same thing here--that's the point of his comment that "you're a heretic, so there's no point in rebuking you." And she falls for the line, and emphasizes just how much of a heretic she is (in a Muslim's eyes).

The producers (actually the director) helped the imam's argument. Note how the camera was framed for both the imam and the host: further "out"--you can see the torso, head, and space above the turban of the imam. With the woman they framed her much "tighter"--and lower. The top of her head barely makes it into the picture, but they get nice and tight to show you the depth of the decolletage. Any Muslim watching this (and of course, that would mean any Muslim man) would recoil at the brazenness of this unbelieving hussy.

To a Westerner, this woman sounds terrific. To a Muslim, I'd bet the "Arab street" would regard the event as a heretic-whuppin' by the imam.

If you will, that's the real problem. The West and the Muslims look at the same piece of tape, and see two entirely different things.

At 8:01 AM, Scorekeeper said...
John,
There are plenty of Muslim women that don't wear any headcovering still in Egypt, Morocco and Lebanon. So you're point is a little overstated.

Your point about the camera angles is actually true but I don't know if it means anything.

Regardless, what she said made it to air and was still damaging.

That there may be many in the Muslim world that would out of hand dismiss her points for whatever reason is just re-inforcing all the more the tremendous problem in that part of the world.

And remember that the Suicide Movie is up for an Oscar IN THE WEST. WHAT A SAD STATEMENT THAT IS!!

- Mike Scorekeeper

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At 8:13 PM, Anonymous bgibson27@comcast.net said...

This is the most concise and compelling comparison I have ever seen. I shall transcribe it and manage to send it to everyone I know.

 
At 8:43 PM, Blogger Ben said...

Wow, impressive. I have to fear for her safety.

 
At 8:59 PM, Blogger Russ said...

Holy Shit! Who is this woman? How do we send her flowers?

 
At 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a set of cojones she has! Great.

 
At 9:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes but...

What did she say?


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At 10:25 PM, Blogger BenJCarter said...

Read the subtitles Anonymous.

 
At 2:27 AM, Blogger joated said...

This is what al the "moderate" Imams should be preaching! The lady does indeed have big ones. And the pompous *ss in the turban could only say she was a heretic and therefore, a waste of time to rebuke. He had no arguments and could not pick her's apart.

 
At 4:01 AM, Anonymous cbinflux said...

She made the speech that Bush, Blair, Howard should have made. they NEED her as an advisor/speech writer!

 
At 4:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was amazing. My heart is on wings from the clarity of her thoughts and words. Everyone I know will be linked to this hopeful vision of the future.

 
At 4:24 AM, Anonymous fortesque said...

fantastic! A great rebuke to those who need it. Clear, concise and powerful expose of the intolerance of the Islamic extremists.

 
At 4:39 AM, Blogger John Murdoch said...

Hang on a minute...

Note that what we watched was clips from the program. We didn't see the entire thing--and we didn't see how it ended.

We did, on the other hand, see what the producers put on the air: an imam (a man to whom the "faithful" instinctively rever), and a clearly secular woman (no hijab, "provocative" clothing, assertive attitude) who goes on to assert that she's not a Muslim, and in fact she's an atheist.

The imam may reject the West--but he followed Lenin's famous "answer to Kautsky." When criticized, Lenin told his supporters that they must not carefully respond to the points that Kautsky raised: the answer was to stand up and pronounce Kautsky a revanchist and a tool of the Czar. And sit down. Don't dignify his arguments by responding to them.

The imam does the same thing here--that's the point of his comment that "you're a heretic, so there's no point in rebuking you." And she falls for the line, and emphasizes just how much of a heretic she is (in a Muslim's eyes).

The producers (actually the director) helped the imam's argument. Note how the camera was framed for both the imam and the host: further "out"--you can see the torso, head, and space above the turban of the imam. With the woman they framed her much "tighter"--and lower. The top of her head barely makes it into the picture, but they get nice and tight to show you the depth of the decolletage. Any Muslim watching this (and of course, that would mean any Muslim man) would recoil at the brazenness of this unbelieving hussy.

To a Westerner, this woman sounds terrific. To a Muslim, I'd bet the "Arab street" would regard the event as a heretic-whuppin' by the imam.

If you will, that's the real problem. The West and the Muslims look at the same piece of tape, and see two entirely different things.

 
At 6:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

al-Jazeera has more civil discussions than most US talk shows???

 
At 8:01 AM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

John,
There are plenty of Muslim women that don't wear any headcovering still in Egypt, Morocco and Lebanon. So you're point is a little overstated.

Your point about the camera angles is actually true but I don't know if it means anything.

Regardless, what she said made it to air and was still damaging.

That there may be many in the Muslim world that would out of hand dismiss her points for whatever reason is just re-inforcing all the more the tremendous problem in that part of the world.

And remember that the Suicide Movie is up for an Oscar IN THE WEST. WHAT A SAD STATEMENT THAT IS!!

- Mike Scorekeeper

 
At 5:50 AM, Blogger spoootnik said...

She is truly amazing and courageous.
Have you checked other videos on the same web site.
The fanatism and madness they demonstrate is truly frightening.
A selection :
http://spoootnik.blogspirit.com/archive/2006/03/02/arab-tv-interviews.html

 
At 7:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is impossable to carry on a reasoned debate with a hate-filled ranter. anon 2

 
At 7:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, "Peace!" Qu'ran anonymous 3

 
At 7:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wafa Sultan either does not know history or chooses
to ignore what she does know so she can indulge in hate-filled Muslim bashing.

What disappoints me so greatly is the wide media attention she is getting
to air her hostile, prejudiced views.

Scholar

 
At 2:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on! She's not that hostile.. it's not like she's blowing up other people. That is hostile.

The Muslims need some more bashing. They need to hear the message over and over and over.

 
At 7:39 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

Scholar
Wafa Sultan either does not know history or chooses
to ignore what she does know so she can indulge in hate-filled Muslim bashing. What disappoints me so greatly is the wide media attention she is getting
to air her hostile, prejudiced views.


That's a pretty funny interpretation now isn't it?

Any Westerner far leftist, (Red Ken Livingstone, Chomsky, Fisk etc...) or far right neo nazi (David Duke) that mouths any anti West platitude is promoted aggressively in every Arab newspaper in the Middle East as well as Al Jazeera?

Yet when 1 or 2 brave Arabs speak out against the Arab or Muslim world they are -
1) Islamophobes
2) Ignorant
3) Mentally unstable or if a women a "hore".
4) In the pay of the West

And......... the Western press is -
Hateful for giving them a platform to espouse their "hatred" or in a free society debate and air their first hand experience and opinions.

Yet in this case it was Al Jazeera that gave her that initial platform? So what excuse do you the resort to?

 
At 11:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Scorekeeper,

I think you need to listen to her message over and over and over...before you go out and blow people up...I think you'd be very potentially blow people up.

Think TWICE, man.

 
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At 6:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is absolutely brilliant. when you feel that so many people are pointing fingers at you, as an intelligent person there is nothing wrong in asking yourself why SO MANY people are contradicting me, rather than jumping to conclusions that they are all wrong and i am right. every muslim should take a look at this. Forget camera angles, how the film was shot, just take the message and the message is simple: you can believe in what you believe in, and so can everyone else. you have no right to choose what i believe in. i personally believe this woman has been sent by Allah Himself.

 
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